TODD Family of James and Sarah
TODD Family: An album of James Clayton and Sarah Frances Mitchell TODD. James is the son of Johnson and Mary Hanna TODD. Included families are Mitchell and Hanna. They connect to the family album of Thomas W. and Martha Hanna GLENN, which includes the family of Dan and Evaline Glenn EASLEY. Also attached is some e-mail correspondence between Karen and Gregg Branum whom we thank for these wonderful photographs and attached family information which includes birth and death dates.
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Attached is some e-mail correspondence between Karen and Gregg Branum whom we thank for these wonderful photographs and attached family information which includes birth and death dates.
List newest to oldest:
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2026 at 02:13:27 PM EDT
Okay, I'm going to give you a big data dump. The 1880 property wasn't Tom Glenn's. His first land purchase was three days before he married Mary Ann Todd in December 1882. He would though spend the rest of his life buying, selling, and trading land, much as his father-in-law, James Clayton Todd, had.
As for Catherine Ruffer, she probably owned the land and probably inherited it from her father, Benjamin Smith. It took me a while to sort out the connection to Julia Monfort a few years ago, but it goes like this. The maiden name of Julia F. Monfort (1840-1917) was Wilhite. Her parents were Pashcal (1808-1899) and Margaret (Ruffner) Wilhite (1842-1884). Margaret had a brother, Andrew Ruffner (1816-1887), who married Catherine Smith (1821-1902), the daughter of Benjamin Smith (1793-1870) and Elizabeth Bowen [or Bowman] (1797-1866). Margaret (Ruffner) Wilhite and Andrew Ruffner were children of Henry Ruffner (1781-1863) and Elizabeth Sidener (1786-1847). That’s a lot of names and dates, but the key point is that Catherine (Smith) Ruffner was Julia (Wilhite) Monfort’s aunt.
Now for photos. I'll send this in a series, but it would be too much data for one email. Some of this I have physical copies of, and others I just accumulated for various sources of the year (and I don't remember them),
First is the family of James Clayton Todd (1836-1915), son of Johnson Todd (1809-1870) and Mary Hanna (1816-1838) & Sarah Frances Mitchell (1840-1909), daughter of Alfred Mitchell (1815-1898) and Samantha Deer (1818-1901). They are the subject of the small-ish book I'm currently trying to finish.
The legend has the dates for each person. I have the originals of all of these. The one of Alfred and Samantha is a glassplate photo, probably from the 1860s. The "Undetermined" photo is a mystery. I don't know if it's a family gathering (I only recognize 3 people) or church congregation (it looks like a church). And I don't know if it's in Montgomery Co. or Parke. It's from about 1930. Mary Ann (Todd) Glenn is standing behind the old woman seated in white. Margaret Gregg (my grandmother) and Tom Glenn are directly behind her.
On Friday, May 8, 2026 at 11:29:49 AM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
I know all this very well. Tom was with the Monforts in 1860, probably because she had an infant and could nurse. John Monfort died in the war in 1861. Either when Tom weaned or John died, he went to live with the Glenns. The Glenns lived on the farm next door (across 850S) from James and Sarah Todd (Mary Ann's parents). I've stood at that intersection as late as last year. Martha Hanna was James Todd's aunt (Mary Ann's great aunt). Evaline was legitimate (or at least raised as such). Martha apparently had children into her 40s. Evaline's on the 50 and 60 census. Following Judge Glenn's death in 1869, William T. Glenn took on the role of big brother/father figure. In 1880, Tom was living with Catherine Ruffner. Despite what the census says, she was still married (her husband died in 1886), but they were separated for some reason (his listing says married). Catherine's brother should be listed as the head of the house, and that probably speaks to a deficiency, which is why Tom, the farm hand, was listed first. Catherine Ruffner was actually the aunt of Julia Monfort, with whom Tom lived in 1860, so Catherine would have known the circumstances that led to Tom living with Julia. The orphan of Irish immigrants. She was right about the parents, but Tom was born in Whitesville, and then they died.
Tom's older brother, William "Welch", was living with John and Mary E. Jones in Brown Twp in 1860, next door to James Hanna, the brother of Martha Hanna Glenn and Mary Hanna Todd. William was born in NY in 1854 (though 1860 says IN; all other years say NY). Their parents migrated from NY to IN sometime between 1854 and Tom's birth in 1857. Welch was a common variant of Walsh. Sometime in the late 1880s or 1890s, they embraced the Walsh name (I have a theory, but no proof, why). William Welch started going by the name William Walsh and named his children Walsh. Thomas Walsh became Thomas Welch became Thomas W. Glenn, and as you mentioned, gave Frank the middle name Walsh. When Tom died in 1934, his eulogy said he was born Thomas Walsh.
That's the very very short version. As I said, I know these people well.
On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 1:30 AM Karen Zach wrote:
Ohhh, yeah I can imagine the "TALK" in dear 'ol Brown Twp when the Glenn rape ? happened. Crazy stuff. I have a note that Tom Glenn was orphaned as a child and raised by the Glenns. I have always thought his birth name was "Walsh" or a name similar - Welsh Welch - he had a son Franklin Walsh so I felt that would continue on so he could keep his birth name going. Never really researched it but it sure made sense to me (might look in Sullivan County for that). Think I told you my sister-in-law is passed - she and my brother (well me too of course) are 4th cousins. She never really cared that much for genealogy (her father passed "with a heart attack" according to his Death Record but we discovered he died of an hereditary disease called Alpha One, a deadly disease that literally eats your lungs. She is in the medical books as living the longest with it - 23 or 24 years whereas most others die within a year - three after they've been diagnosed. Due to this (9 kids) her family was always looked down upon as poor relation (but her mother did an amazing job raising them - as they said, "No money but lots of love and fun"- that's sad as Linda was one of the greatest people I've ever known. She always liked the large Glenn homestead and when I told her those were her relatives she kind of got a bit excited and one year for Christmas I gave her direct ancestor info and she did read it and enjoyed it. My brother LOVES anything history (as I do and our dad did) so we went on a "cemetery citing" day - I had made him a booklet of all the places we went and notes about the people (and pic of stone) - we had so much fun! She has had two sisters pass (one having it a year and the other four which was fairly amazing in itself) from Alpha One and her two children and her three grands have to get checked every year. I truly believe that the health info is some of the most important to genealogy.
Well, it probably won't do you any good but here's my notes on TG
Notes for Thomas Welch Glenn:
The early mystery of Thomas Welch/Thomas Glenn:
Thomas, according family lore, was orphaned as a child. He was supposedly born to Thomas Walsh (Who married or Welch, but later took the name Glenn. On the 1860 Census for Brown Twp. Montgomery Co., IN there is no Thomas Walsh (in fact no Thomas Walsh in all of IN) and there is only one **Thomas Glenn, a 60 year old judge in Montgomery Co Thomas' gpa?) who was married to **Martha Hanna (sister of Mary Hanna Todd, great aunt of Mary Ann Todd). There is only one Thomas Welch (Brown Twp., Mont. Co. dwelling 20). This Thomas is 3 years old and living with a newlywed couple John and Julia Monfort.
On the 1870 Census, there is a Thomas Welch, 14, living with Martha Glenn, the widow of judge Thomas Glenn. This house is 3 listings from that of the Todd family on p20, Brown twp., Montgomery Co., IN. I believe this is our Thomas Welch (later Thomas W. Glenn). Also in the home was Eveline T. Glenn, daughter of Martha (I would guess this might be an illeg one but not sure). In 1880 (E.D. 108, p20, Brown Twp., Montgomery Co., IN) Eveline Glenn is living with her husband, Daniel Easley. In the adjacent home there is a Thomas Glenn, 22, living with a 69 year old Catherine Ruffin. This may be our Thomas, but the listing says he was born in Ireland.
Being a librarian and English teacher, I have always been very picky about the sources and correctness of what I put down as fact - only found one mistake which I made (like you by taking someone else's word - sure didn't do that again) - when I did my DNA what came back was exactly what I had put on the application papers. Wild!
Well enough, Karen - I sure can talk a lot about family history - any way, shape or form :)
Oh and YES would love the photos - who they are (if known) - will give you credit as sending 'em our way of course - their birth/death and marr if known and perhaps where they lived. That'd be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GREAT !
On Thursday, May 7, 2026 at 06:28:38 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
My Thomas W. Glenn piece is about my quest to ID his birth parents. I didn't find them definitively, but I have a pretty good theory. A woman in Oregon on Ancestry is a distant cousin DNA match for my late father (but not me, I own Dad's DNA and account now), and she believes Tom was the illegitimate son of Thomas and Martha Hann's daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie, the school teacher, pictures attached). I believed her at first until I found she had no evidence. I think she just liked a salacious story that people covered up for 170 years. As if anyone could hide something like a random horny Irishman roaming Brown Township impregnating 16-year-old girls. I asked (stated, really), "So, your great-great-grandfather raped a young girl." That touched a nerve. She said not all sex is rape, and that such things happened all the time. I thought to myself, no, not in that place at that time in those families. It was different than other places, even in my own family tree. I ultimately disproved her claim to my satisfaction, if not hers. If your sister-in-law is a Glenn descendant, I wonder if she's ever heard stories. If so, I might have to retract some conclusions.
I actually used your page (and mentioned it) in my Glenn piece. Specifically, the paternity case of Clore vs Glenn. I'd seen the articles on microfilm, but your transcription was easier to read. I use that as an example of how interwoven the community was, how everyone knew everyone else's business, how seriously people took the virtue of young girls, and how character was more valuable than money. While I didn't definitively find Tom's parents, I discovered he had a brother. They were split up and raised in different homes and mentioned in each others obituaries, and I've even contacted one of the brothers' descendants. She lives in Brazil.
Regarding the Todd Portrait, if you are a lifelong resident, you might know the Durretts. After some googling, I spoke a couple of days ago with the granddaughter of one of the children in the photo. I knew everyone in the photo, but there are two girls about the same age, and I'm hoping she can tell me which one is her grandmother.
For the other photos I have. I can send those, but what information would you like on them?
Cheers,
On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 1:12 AM Karen Zach wrote:
AMEN on everyone in the lower half of Brown Twp being relation - sometimes multiple times over. Lots of fun playing with those folks. Have you found anything on Thomas Walsh (your ancestor below - "adopted" by the Glenns) - assume you have as you mention writing a book about your quest.
I was on the committee (3 of us pretty well did the whole thing and my dau and I indexed it) to put together the 1864, 1878, 1898 and 1917 (?) on that last one - book that were maps, along with some super biographies but that's one of the books I carted off to Dellie. Oh my fun. Can't really get anyone to have the love of genealogy hubs & I have. Our son likes it as per having a database of everything but doesn't really get into much researching. Our daughter teaches now but she was amazing when she worked at the library but don't think she'll want to continue it either. I've been more than a bit worried about what will happen to our three GenWeb pages. Some of the coordinators are now transferring them to other sites - may talk to Dellie (but she's not getting any younger so what would happen to it after that?) and see if the library wants to copy it all over to their server. I mean, it'd be such a shame to lose the 32,000 already typed obits as well as so much other stuff. Thinking on it.
I was quite lucky - both of my grandmothers had a real interest in family - used to go a couple of times a year with my mom's mom to a bunch of family plots and she would tell me all about our ancestors, their children, burials, etc. My other grandmother was born and raised in Italy - I was the only granddaughter from her two children so we spent LOTS of time together on her front porch. She told me the same stories over and over but that's okay as that's why I remember 'em and my kids and grands will, too!
So good to meet you and I have a database of 300,000 in my Family Tree Maker many from Brown Twp :) Glad to check anything for you anytime. Take care and keep on searching!!
On Wednesday, May 6, 2026 at 06:56:57 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
Hi Karen,
Thanks for your reply. It would be interesting to compare trees. A couple of years ago, while working on another project, I examined the 1864 atlas in depth. Nearly every single plot of land was owned by an ancestor, a sibling of an ancestor, a cousin, or an in-law. Many were related before ever coming to Indiana. If you have 19th-century ancestors, I'm sure our trees would intersect.
I am not a direct genetic descendant of the Glenns. My 2nd-great-grandfather (Thomas W. Glenn) was the son of Irish immigrants who died when he was an infant. Thomas Glenn (the judge) and his wife, Martha Hanna*, took him and raised him at Glennwood on the southeast corner of 750W and 850S. He later took to name Glenn in honor of them. One of the Glenn daughters, Lizzie, who was a school teacher, The eulogy at his funeral in 1934 in Rosedale, spoke glowingly of the Glenns and the school teacher with whom he would ride on horseback to her school. Thus, my interest in schools. Lizzie died of typhoid in 1864. I wrote a book on my quest to locate his birth parents.
* While I don't descend from the Glenns, Martha Hanna Glenn was the sister of one of my ancestors. Her sister Mary Hanna was the first wife of Johnson Todd. So, Martha is my 3rd great-grandaunt. As I said, everyone in Brown Township was related.
I have photos acquired over the years of different Brown Twp relatives and ancestors.These include the one I sent, which is an original. I have an original glassplate photo from the 1850s or 60s of Alfred Mitchell (1818-1898) and Samantha (Deer) Mitchell (1818-1901). She was the daughter of Joel Deer who built Deer's Mill.
Oh, and yes, I know Dellie. We haven't met in person yet, but she is who I'm donating the portrait to. I'm also going to give her a copy of book on my Thomas W. Glenn and my Todd study, if I can finish it in time.
On Wed, May 6, 2026 at 5:38 PM Karen Zach wrote:
WOW -- I have lived in Brown Township most of my life (in Waveland in the home I grew-up in and that is one of the oldest standing in the township - we know the home was built in the 1850s - think I have the specific date somewhere but no biggee as per your questions). Knew a lot of people from those families and I have LOTS on them but most of it is probably on the website (thanks so much for the compliment - sometimes I just feel like I wasted 30 years of my life then I get a nice note from someone and it just gives me a large smile and a "keep on goin'"
I don't think we've corresponded before but I've talked, helped, gotten to know a lot of folks so who knows especially you've been working on those families for 30 years. Would you mind sending me a good copy and the names when you get the picture done - love that idea by the way! Have several Todd pics on the site but I couldn't find that one anyway.
Okay, I'd say that working with land is likely my worse enemy, personally. But, let me see if I can help. You probably talked to Dellie at the library (kind of the Local History specialists- I worked there in the summers for 20 years when I was off from teaching so I taught her all she knows - KIDDING). She and a guy named Jerry Turner (and later my daughter) have been fabulous helping me out with those questions. I did take all of my (except for my Crawfordsville book but only have two copies of it) research to the library - they got some great goodies - lol.
The Glenns and Durhams are my sister-in-law's (recently passed) directs so have quite a bit on them but wrote many articles on the other families (all lost on our computer when it crashed - I kept telling myself to put those articles on the GenWeb page but alas, didn't :( )
You might enjoy reading this or part of it - gives a good feeling of what those old schools were like and this man taught mainly in Coal Creek and Brown Townships. http://ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/alumni/a-chain-of-memories.html
You might want to research Sec 11 - Greene School R(obert) H(ugh) Hodgkin who lived just outside of Waveland north toward the Shades purchased it - not sure that would develop anything but ya' never know. As far as the dates on the schools - they often mean the dates the school existed but much of the time (Charlie Arvin was our county sup for MANY years and one of the greatest men I have ever known and he worked so hard on the schools - when he got cancer he called me and begged me - like he needed to do that - lol -- to take all of his boxes of school research) it means those are the years where there are listings of the staff.
As per your question about School 11 pretty sure it is indeed in Section 29 (I thought the schools were named for the Sections they were found in but nope not at all - then again I don't know that I know how they were found. Hodgkin had Ethel, Jessie and Mary born before 1887 and son Robert Earl about 1884. So, that would be a good place for those younguns to go to school.
Now, I don't know if I helped or hindered :) Great local families you come from for sure!
James Clayton Todd was the son of Johnson Todd (1809-1870) and his first wife, Mary Hanna (1816-1838). After Mary died, Johnson married Ruth Ann Vancleave (1823-1900) and had 12 more children. These are some of that second family.
John William Todd (1841-1932)
Isaac Shelby Todd (1845-1921) and his wife Delilah Maddox (1846-1925)
One of Mary Hanna's siblings was James Hanna (1800-1862)
His sons include Adam Poe Hanna (1838-1912) and George Washington Hanna (1844-1929)
On Sun, May 10, 2026 at 2:13 PM Gregg Branum wrote:
Okay, I'm going to give you a big data dump. The 1880 property wasn't Tom Glenn's. His first land purchase was three days before he married Mary Ann Todd in December 1882. He would though spend the rest of his life buying, selling, and trading land, much as his father-in-law, James Clayton Todd, had.
As for Catherine Ruffer, she probably owned the land and probably inherited it from her father, Benjamin Smith. It took me a while to sort out the connection to Julia Monfort a few years ago, but it goes like this. The maiden name of Julia F. Monfort (1840-1917) was Wilhite. Her parents were Pashcal (1808-1899) and Margaret (Ruffner) Wilhite (1842-1884). Margaret had a brother, Andrew Ruffner (1816-1887), who married Catherine Smith (1821-1902), the daughter of Benjamin Smith (1793-1870) and Elizabeth Bowen [or Bowman] (1797-1866). Margaret (Ruffner) Wilhite and Andrew Ruffner were children of Henry Ruffner (1781-1863) and Elizabeth Sidener (1786-1847). That’s a lot of names and dates, but the key point is that Catherine (Smith) Ruffner was Julia (Wilhite) Monfort’s aunt.
Now for photos. I'll send this in a series, but it would be too much data for one email. Some of this I have physical copies of, and others I just accumulated for various sources of the year (and I don't remember them),
First is the family of James Clayton Todd (1836-1915), son of Johnson Todd (1809-1870) and Mary Hanna (1816-1838) & Sarah Frances Mitchell (1840-1909), daughter of Alfred Mitchell (1815-1898) and Samantha Deer (1818-1901). They are the subject of the small-ish book I'm currently trying to finish.
The legend has the dates for each person. I have the originals of all of these. The one of Alfred and Samanta is a glassplate photo, probably from the 1860s. The "Undetermined" photo is a mystery. I don't know if it's a family gathering (I only recognize 3 people) or church congregation (it looks like a church). And I don't know if it's in Montgomery Co. or Parke. It's from about 1930. Mary Ann (Todd) Glenn is standing behind the old woman seated in white. Margaret Gregg (my grandmother) and Tom Glenn are directly behind her.
On Friday, May 8, 2026 at 11:29:49 AM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
I know all this very well. Tom was with the Monforts in 1860, probably because she had an infant and could nurse. John Monfort died in the war in 1861. Either when Tom weaned or John died, he went to live with the Glenns. The Glenns lived on the farm next door (across 850S) from James and Sarah Todd (Mary Ann's parents). I've stood at that intersection as late as last year. Martha Hanna was James Todd's aunt (Mary Ann's great aunt). Evaline was legitimate (or at least raised as such). Martha apparently had children into her 40s. Evaline's on the 50 and 60 census. Following Judge Glenn's death in 1869, William T. Glenn took on the role of big brother/father figure. In 1880, Tom was living with Catherine Ruffner. Despite what the census says, she was still married (her husband died in 1886), but they were separated for some reason (his listing says married). Catherine's brother should be listed as the head of the house, and that probably speaks to a deficiency, which is why Tom, the farm hand, was listed first. Catherine Ruffner was actually the aunt of Julia Monfort, with whom Tom lived in 1860, so Catherine would have known the circumstances that led to Tom living with Julia. The orphan of Irish immigrants. She was right about the parents, but Tom was born in Whitesville, and then they died.
Tom's older brother, William "Welch", was living with John and Mary E. Jones in Brown Twp in 1860, next door to James Hanna, the brother of Martha Hanna Glenn and Mary Hanna Todd. William was born in NY in 1854 (though 1860 says IN; all other years say NY). Their parents migrated from NY to IN sometime between 1854 and Tom's birth in 1857. Welch was a common variant of Walsh. Sometime in the late 1880s or 1890s, they embraced the Walsh name (I have a theory, but no proof, why). William Welch started going by the name William Walsh and named his children Walsh. Thomas Walsh became Thomas Welch became Thomas W. Glenn, and as you mentioned, gave Frank the middle name Walsh. When Tom died in 1934, his eulogy said he was born Thomas Walsh.
That's the very very short version. As I said, I know these people well.
On Thursday, May 7, 2026 at 06:28:38 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
My Thomas W. Glenn piece is about my quest to ID his birth parents. I didn't find them definitively, but I have a pretty good theory. A woman in Oregon on Ancestry is a distant cousin DNA match for my late father (but not me, I own Dad's DNA and account now), and she believes Tom was the illegitimate son of Thomas and Martha Hann's daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie, the school teacher, pictures attached). I believed her at first until I found she had no evidence. I think she just liked a salacious story that people covered up for 170 years. As if anyone could hide something like a random horny Irishman roaming Brown Township impregnating 16-year-old girls. I asked (stated, really), "So, your great-great-grandfather raped a young girl." That touched a nerve. She said not all sex is rape, and that such things happened all the time. I thought to myself, no, not in that place at that time in those families. It was different than other places, even in my own family tree. I ultimately disproved her claim to my satisfaction, if not hers. If your sister-in-law is a Glenn descendant, I wonder if she's ever heard stories. If so, I might have to retract some conclusions.
I actually used your page (and mentioned it) in my Glenn piece. Specifically, the paternity case of Clore vs Glenn. I'd seen the articles on microfilm, but your transcription was easier to read. I use that as an example of how interwoven the community was, how everyone knew everyone else's business, how seriously people took the virtue of young girls, and how character was more valuable than money. While I didn't definitively find Tom's parents, I discovered he had a brother. They were split up and raised in different homes and mentioned in each others obituaries, and I've even contacted one of the brothers' descendants. She lives in Brazil.
Regarding the Todd Portrait, if you are a lifelong resident, you might know the Durretts. After some googling, I spoke a couple of days ago with the granddaughter of one of the children in the photo. I knew everyone in the photo, but there are two girls about the same age, and I'm hoping she can tell me which one is her grandmother.
For the other photos I have. I can send those, but what information would you like on them?
Cheers,
On Wednesday, May 6, 2026 at 06:56:57 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
Hi Karen,
Thanks for your reply. It would be interesting to compare trees. A couple of years ago, while working on another project, I examined the 1864 atlas in depth. Nearly every single plot of land was owned by an ancestor, a sibling of an ancestor, a cousin, or an in-law. Many were related before ever coming to Indiana. If you have 19th-century ancestors, I'm sure our trees would intersect.
I am not a direct genetic descendant of the Glenns. My 2nd-great-grandfather (Thomas W. Glenn) was the son of Irish immigrants who died when he was an infant. Thomas Glenn (the judge) and his wife, Martha Hanna*, took him and raised him at Glennwood on the southeast corner of 750W and 850S. He later took to name Glenn in honor of them. One of the Glenn daughters, Lizzie, who was a school teacher, The eulogy at his funeral in 1934 in Rosedale, spoke glowingly of the Glenns and the school teacher with whom he would ride on horseback to her school. Thus, my interest in schools. Lizzie died of typhoid in 1864. I wrote a book on my quest to locate his birth parents.
* While I don't descend from the Glenns, Martha Hanna Glenn was the sister of one of my ancestors. Her sister Mary Hanna was the first wife of Johnson Todd. So, Martha is my 3rd great-grandaunt. As I said, everyone in Brown Township was related.
I have photos acquired over the years of different Brown Twp relatives and ancestors.These include the one I sent, which is an original. I have an original glassplate photo from the 1850s or 60s of Alfred Mitchell (1818-1898) and Samantha (Deer) Mitchell (1818-1901). She was the daughter of Joel Deer who built Deer's Mill.
Oh, and yes, I know Dellie. We haven't met in person yet, but she is who I'm donating the portrait to. I'm also going to give her a copy of book on my Thomas W. Glenn and my Todd study, if I can finish it in time.
I'm most interested in the first two, and would welcome any insights you have.
My current project is doing a deep dive into the people and history of the attached portrait. It's become a larger project than expected, especially as I want to comply with GPS. Please let me know if you are interested in the final study. I'm donating the portrait in the next week or two to the library in Crawfordsville.
Cheers,
Another Hanna sibling was Martha Wilson "Patsy" Hanna (1805-1880). She married Thomas Glenn (1799-1869) [the judge]. They lived at Glennwood, directly to James C. & Sarah F. Todd and directly east of Alfred and Samantha Mitchell. They also raised Thomas Walsh/Welch (aka Thomas W. Glenn). There are them and some of their children.
Elizabeth "Lizzie" Glenn (1840-1864) - the school teacher. died of typhoid and was supposedly engaged to one of the McCormicks when she died.
Wiliam Thomas Glenn (1843-1933)
Mary Ann (Glenn) Steward)
Mary Frances Glenn (1844-1925) & Jonathan Rice (1842-1904)
Rebecca Glenn (1931-1919) & William HInkle (1829-1906)
Nancy B. (Glenn) Davis (1835-1920)
Evaline Hamblin Glenn (1847-1927) & Daniel Woodson Easley (1848-1917) - There children: Grace Viola (1876-1896), Walter Franklin (1879-1959), and Emma Blanche (1880-1983)
That's all for now. I also have my tree on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/184212872
Cheers,
On Sun, May 10, 2026 at 2:24 PM Gregg Branum wrote:
James Clayton Todd was the son of Johnson Todd (1809-1870) and his first wife, Mary Hanna (1816-1838). After Mary died, Johnson married Ruth Ann Vancleave (1823-1900) and had 12 more children. These are some of that second family.
John William Todd (1841-1932)
Isaac Shelby Todd (1845-1921) and his wife Delilah Maddox (1846-1925)
One of Mary Hanna's siblings was James Hanna (1800-1862)
His sons include Adam Poe Hanna (1838-1912) and George Washington Hanna (1844-1929)
On Sun, May 10, 2026 at 2:13 PM Gregg Branum wrote:
Okay, I'm going to give you a big data dump. The 1880 property wasn't Tom Glenn's. His first land purchase was three days before he married Mary Ann Todd in December 1882. He would though spend the rest of his life buying, selling, and trading land, much as his father-in-law, James Clayton Todd, had.
As for Catherine Ruffer, she probably owned the land and probably inherited it from her father, Benjamin Smith. It took me a while to sort out the connection to Julia Monfort a few years ago, but it goes like this. The maiden name of Julia F. Monfort (1840-1917) was Wilhite. Her parents were Pashcal (1808-1899) and Margaret (Ruffner) Wilhite (1842-1884). Margaret had a brother, Andrew Ruffner (1816-1887), who married Catherine Smith (1821-1902), the daughter of Benjamin Smith (1793-1870) and Elizabeth Bowen [or Bowman] (1797-1866). Margaret (Ruffner) Wilhite and Andrew Ruffner were children of Henry Ruffner (1781-1863) and Elizabeth Sidener (1786-1847). That’s a lot of names and dates, but the key point is that Catherine (Smith) Ruffner was Julia (Wilhite) Monfort’s aunt.
Now for photos. I'll send this in a series, but it would be too much data for one email. Some of this I have physical copies of, and others I just accumulated for various sources of the year (and I don't remember them),
First is the family of James Clayton Todd (1836-1915), son of Johnson Todd (1809-1870) and Mary Hanna (1816-1838) & Sarah Frances Mitchell (1840-1909), daughter of Alfred Mitchell (1815-1898) and Samantha Deer (1818-1901). They are the subject of the small-ish book I'm currently trying to finish.
The legend has the dates for each person. I have the originals of all of these. The one of Alfred and Samanta is a glassplate photo, probably from the 1860s. The "Undetermined" photo is a mystery. I don't know if it's a family gathering (I only recognize 3 people) or church congregation (it looks like a church). And I don't know if it's in Montgomery Co. or Parke. It's from about 1930. Mary Ann (Todd) Glenn is standing behind the old woman seated in white. Margaret Gregg (my grandmother) and Tom Glenn are directly behind her.
On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 1:30 AM Karen Zach wrote:
Ohhh, yeah I can imagine the "TALK" in dear 'ol Brown Twp when the Glenn rape ? happened. Crazy stuff. I have a note that Tom Glenn was orphaned as a child and raised by the Glenns. I have always thought his birth name was "Walsh" or a name similar - Welsh Welch - he had a son Franklin Walsh so I felt that would continue on so he could keep his birth name going. Never really researched it but it sure made sense to me (might look in Sullivan County for that). Think I told you my sister-in-law is passed - she and my brother (well me too of course) are 4th cousins. She never really cared that much for genealogy (her father passed "with a heart attack" according to his Death Record but we discovered he died of an hereditary disease called Alpha One, a deadly disease that literally eats your lungs. She is in the medical books as living the longest with it - 23 or 24 years whereas most others die within a year - three after they've been diagnosed. Due to this (9 kids) her family was always looked down upon as poor relation (but her mother did an amazing job raising them - as they said, "No money but lots of love and fun"- that's sad as Linda was one of the greatest people I've ever known. She always liked the large Glenn homestead and when I told her those were her relatives she kind of got a bit excited and one year for Christmas I gave her direct ancestor info and she did read it and enjoyed it. My brother LOVES anything history (as I do and our dad did) so we went on a "cemetery citing" day - I had made him a booklet of all the places we went and notes about the people (and pic of stone) - we had so much fun! She has had two sisters pass (one having it a year and the other four which was fairly amazing in itself) from Alpha One and her two children and her three grands have to get checked every year. I truly believe that the health info is some of the most important to genealogy.
Well, it probably won't do you any good but here's my notes on TG
Notes for Thomas Welch Glenn:
The early mystery of Thomas Welch/ThomasGlenn:
Thomas, according family lore, was orphaned as a child. He was supposedly born to Thomas Walsh (Who married or Welch, but later took the name Glenn. On the 1860 Census for Brown Twp. Montgomery Co., IN there is no Thomas Walsh (in fact no Thomas Walsh in all of IN) and there is only one **Thomas Glenn, a 60 year old judge in Montgomery Co Thomas' gpa?) who was married to **Martha Hanna (sister of Mary Hanna Todd, great aunt of Mary Ann Todd). There is only one Thomas Welch (Brown Twp., Mont. Co. dwelling 20). This Thomas is 3 years old and living with a newlywed couple John and Julia Monfort.
On the 1870 Census, there is a Thomas Welch, 14, living with Martha Glenn, the widow of judge Thomas Glenn. This house is 3 listings from that of the Todd family on p20, Brown twp., Montgomery Co., IN. I believe this is our Thomas Welch (later Thomas W. Glenn). Also in the home was Eveline T. Glenn, daughter of Martha (I would guess this might be an illeg one but not sure). In 1880 (E.D. 108, p20, Brown Twp., Montgomery Co., IN) Eveline Glenn is living with her husband, Daniel Easley. In the adjacent home there is a Thomas Glenn, 22, living with a 69 year old Catherine Ruffin. This may be our Thomas, but the listing says he was born in Ireland.
Being a librarian and English teacher, I have always been very picky about the sources and correctness of what I put down as fact - only found one mistake which I made (like you by taking someone else's word - sure didn't do that again) - when I did my DNA what came back was exactly what I had put on the application papers. Wild!
Well enough, Karen - I sure can talk a lot about family history - any way, shape or form :)
Oh and YES would love the photos - who they are (if known) - will give you credit as sending 'em our way of course - their birth/death and marr if known and perhaps where they lived. That'd be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GREAT !
On Thursday, May 7, 2026 at 06:28:38 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
My Thomas W. Glenn piece is about my quest to ID his birth parents. I didn't find them definitively, but I have a pretty good theory. A woman in Oregon on Ancestry is a distant cousin DNA match for my late father (but not me, I own Dad's DNA and account now), and she believes Tom was the illegitimate son of Thomas and Martha Hann's daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie, the school teacher, pictures attached). I believed her at first until I found she had no evidence. I think she just liked a salacious story that people covered up for 170 years. As if anyone could hide something like a random horny Irishman roaming Brown Township impregnating 16-year-old girls. I asked (stated, really), "So, your great-great-grandfather raped a young girl." That touched a nerve. She said not all sex is rape, and that such things happened all the time. I thought to myself, no, not in that place at that time in those families. It was different than other places, even in my own family tree. I ultimately disproved her claim to my satisfaction, if not hers. If your sister-in-law is a Glenn descendant, I wonder if she's ever heard stories. If so, I might have to retract some conclusions.
I actually used your page (and mentioned it) in my Glenn piece. Specifically, the paternity case of Clore vs Glenn. I'd seen the articles on microfilm, but your transcription was easier to read. I use that as an example of how interwoven the community was, how everyone knew everyone else's business, how seriously people took the virtue of young girls, and how character was more valuable than money. While I didn't definitively find Tom's parents, I discovered he had a brother. They were split up and raised in different homes and mentioned in each others obituaries, and I've even contacted one of the brothers' descendants. She lives in Brazil.
Regarding the Todd Portrait, if you are a lifelong resident, you might know the Durretts. After some googling, I spoke a couple of days ago with the granddaughter of one of the children in the photo. I knew everyone in the photo, but there are two girls about the same age, and I'm hoping she can tell me which one is her grandmother.
For the other photos I have. I can send those, but what information would you like on them?
Cheers,
On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 1:12 AM Karen Zach wrote:
AMEN on everyone in the lower half of Brown Twp being relation - sometimes multiple times over. Lots of fun playing with those folks. Have you found anything on Thomas Walsh (your ancestor below - "adopted" by the Glenns) - assume you have as you mention writing a book about your quest.
I was on the committee (3 of us pretty well did the whole thing and my dau and I indexed it) to put together the 1864, 1878, 1898 and 1917 (?) on that last one - book that were maps, along with some super biographies but that's one of the books I carted off to Dellie. Oh my fun. Can't really get anyone to have the love of genealogy hubs & I have. Our son likes it as per having a database of everything but doesn't really get into much researching. Our daughter teaches now but she was amazing when she worked at the library but don't think she'll want to continue it either. I've been more than a bit worried about what will happen to our three GenWeb pages. Some of the coordinators are now transferring them to other sites - may talk to Dellie (but she's not getting any younger so what would happen to it after that?) and see if the library wants to copy it all over to their server. I mean, it'd be such a shame to lose the 32,000 already typed obits as well as so much other stuff. Thinking on it.
I was quite lucky - both of my grandmothers had a real interest in family - used to go a couple of times a year with my mom's mom to a bunch of family plots and she would tell me all about our ancestors, their children, burials, etc. My other grandmother was born and raised in Italy - I was the only granddaughter from her two children so we spent LOTS of time together on her front porch. She told me the same stories over and over but that's okay as that's why I remember 'em and my kids and grands will, too!
So good to meet you and I have a database of 300,000 in my Family Tree Maker many from Brown Twp :) Glad to check anything for you anytime. Take care and keep on searching!!
On Wednesday, May 6, 2026 at 06:56:57 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
Hi Karen,
Thanks for your reply. It would be interesting to compare trees. A couple of years ago, while working on another project, I examined the 1864 atlas in depth. Nearly every single plot of land was owned by an ancestor, a sibling of an ancestor, a cousin, or an in-law. Many were related before ever coming to Indiana. If you have 19th-century ancestors, I'm sure our trees would intersect.
I am not a direct genetic descendant of the Glenns. My 2nd-great-grandfather (Thomas W. Glenn) was the son of Irish immigrants who died when he was an infant. Thomas Glenn (the judge) and his wife, Martha Hanna*, took him and raised him at Glennwood on the southeast corner of 750W and 850S. He later took to name Glenn in honor of them. One of the Glenn daughters, Lizzie, who was a school teacher, The eulogy at his funeral in 1934 in Rosedale, spoke glowingly of the Glenns and the school teacher with whom he would ride on horseback to her school. Thus, my interest in schools. Lizzie died of typhoid in 1864. I wrote a book on my quest to locate his birth parents.
* While I don't descend from the Glenns, Martha Hanna Glenn was the sister of one of my ancestors. Her sister Mary Hanna was the first wife of Johnson Todd. So, Martha is my 3rd great-grandaunt. As I said, everyone in Brown Township was related.
I have photos acquired over the years of different Brown Twp relatives and ancestors.These include the one I sent, which is an original. I have an original glassplate photo from the 1850s or 60s of Alfred Mitchell (1818-1898) and Samantha (Deer) Mitchell (1818-1901). She was the daughter of Joel Deer who built Deer's Mill.
Oh, and yes, I know Dellie. We haven't met in person yet, but she is who I'm donating the portrait to. I'm also going to give her a copy of book on my Thomas W. Glenn and my Todd study, if I can finish it in time.
On Wed, May 6, 2026 at 5:38 PM Karen Zach wrote:
WOW -- I have lived in Brown Township most of my life (in Waveland in the home I grew-up in and that is one of the oldest standing in the township - we know the home was built in the 1850s - think I have the specific date somewhere but no biggee as per your questions). Knew a lot of people from those families and I have LOTS on them but most of it is probably on the website (thanks so much for the compliment - sometimes I just feel like I wasted 30 years of my life then I get a nice note from someone and it just gives me a large smile and a "keep on goin'"
I don't think we've corresponded before but I've talked, helped, gotten to know a lot of folks so who knows especially you've been working on those families for 30 years. Would you mind sending me a good copy and the names when you get the picture done - love that idea by the way! Have several Todd pics on the site but I couldn't find that one anyway.
Okay, I'd say that working with land is likely my worse enemy, personally. But, let me see if I can help. You probably talked to Dellie at the library (kind of the Local History specialists- I worked there in the summers for 20 years when I was off from teaching so I taught her all she knows - KIDDING). She and a guy named Jerry Turner (and later my daughter) have been fabulous helping me out with those questions. I did take all of my (except for my Crawfordsville book but only have two copies of it) research to the library - they got some great goodies - lol.
The Glenns and Durhams are my sister-in-law's (recently passed) directs so have quite a bit on them but wrote many articles on the other families (all lost on our computer when it crashed - I kept telling myself to put those articles on the GenWeb page but alas, didn't :( )
You might enjoy reading this or part of it - gives a good feeling of what those old schools were like and this man taught mainly in Coal Creek and Brown Townships. http://ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/alumni/a-chain-of-memories.html
You might want to research Sec 11 - Greene School R(obert) H(ugh) Hodgkinwho lived just outside of Waveland north toward the Shades purchased it - not sure that would develop anything but ya' never know. As far as the dates on the schools - they often mean the dates the school existed but much of the time (Charlie Arvin was our county sup for MANY years and one of the greatest men I have ever known and he worked so hard on the schools - when he got cancer he called me and begged me - like he needed to do that - lol -- to take all of his boxes of school research) it means those are the years where there are listings of the staff.
As per your question about School 11 pretty sure it is indeed in Section 29 (I thought the schools were named for the Sections they were found in but nope not at all - then again I don't know that I know how they were found. Hodgkin had Ethel, Jessie and Mary born before 1887 and son Robert Earl about 1884. So, that would be a good place for those younguns to go to school.
Now, I don't know if I helped or hindered :) Great local families you come from for sure!
On Wednesday, May 6, 2026 at 04:06:08 PM EDT, Gregg Branum wrote:
Hi Karen,
I'm not sure if we've ever corresponded before, but I want to thank you for the Montgomery genweb pages. It has as much, if not more, than any county site I've encountered in 30+ years of research. Kudos to you and all involved.
My roots in Montgomery Co are in the 1800s in Brown Township. In some fashion, either marriage or blood, I seem to be related to nearly everyone in the township in the mid-1800s, with particular interest in the Todd, Mitchell, Deer, Hanna, and Glenn families, most of whom lived southeast of Deer's Mill and toward Brown's Valley.
I was looking at your list of Brown schools and was hoping you might have insight into something I've wondered about for years. On the 1864 atlas, I've circled four schools. I believe these schools are listed on the site; if they were in existence in 1864, they would predate the schools on the list.
Section 11 - This may be what you refer to as the Greene School, which is in section 11. I believe my ancestors who lived in section 13 would have attended this school due to its proximity and the fact that it was on land owned by the Deers.
Section 16 - shows a school on the land of Johnson Todd. It would follow that this would be Todd School on your list. Johnson was the only Todd in the township of age with a school named after him, and he was somewhat wealthy.
Section 29 - Would your school #11
Section 23 is also close to Section 13 and sits on Durham land. So one would assume this is the Durham School; but the website gives dates of 1893-1919.
I'm most interested in the first two, and would welcome any insights you have.
My current project is doing a deep dive into the people and history of the attached portrait. It's become a larger project than expected, especially as I want to comply with GPS. Please let me know if you are interested in the final study. I'm donating the portrait in the next week or two to the library in Crawfordsville.
Cheers,